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#1 2012-11-16 15:44:10

Zariel
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Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

Seems Gentoo are not happy with how udev is moving and are forking it [1] with the dev tree here [2]

[1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2262
[2] https://github.com/gentoo/udev-ng

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#2 2012-11-16 16:40:25

marvn
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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

forking udev seems to be quite popular lately...but I'm afraid it doesn't quite relate to arch in any way

Edit: and they are already being laughed at...

Last edited by marvn (2012-11-19 15:34:32)


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#3 2012-11-16 17:26:46

ZekeSulastin
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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

Which it's why it's under GNU/Linux Discussion, right?  Unless it was stealth-moved by a moderator ...

Good luck to them; it can't be any worse than udev-lsd at least tongue

(Also friendly warning to future posters: if your rant about systemd/Gentoo/Arch/udev/futures thereof has a) already been made many times or b) belongs more on a blog than trying to beat forumgoers to death with a wall-of-text, save it - it'd be nice to keep this thread out of TGN.)

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#4 2012-11-17 12:09:34

Odaer
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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

I thougnt some gentoo guy already had forked udev,  is this a new "gentoo" fork?

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#5 2012-11-17 12:33:35

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

Odaer wrote:

I thougnt some gentoo guy already had forked udev,  is this a new "gentoo" fork?

This comes from official Gentoo developers, not "some guy".

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#6 2012-11-17 12:36:08

Allan
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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

Not an official gentoo project as of yet...

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#7 2012-11-17 13:53:23

karol
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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

Odaer wrote:

I thougnt some gentoo guy already had forked udev,  is this a new "gentoo" fork?

Do you mean https://bitbucket.org/braindamaged/udev ?

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#8 2012-11-17 18:42:41

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

looks like quite some people are unhappy with the current udev mantainership:
Debian devs: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/20 … 00328.html
Linus: https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/484

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#9 2012-11-17 19:07:34

ZekeSulastin
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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

Welcome to last month's flamewar, or did you miss what caused the LSD-fork guys to break off in the first place?

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#10 2012-11-18 20:15:34

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

Best contribution would be to package this in the aur. Its current name is eudev.


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#11 2012-11-22 21:41:19

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

Its a bit OT but why systemd pulls more and more features functions in every release?


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#12 2012-11-22 22:31:22

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

Just to troll you.

What, in particular are you raging about this time?


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#13 2012-11-22 23:14:20

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

Thaodan wrote:

Its a bit OT but why systemd pulls more and more features functions in every release?

You'll have to clarify yourself here, because I've intentionally not added hard dependencies whenever possible. The last hard dependency I added to systemd was 2½ months ago when I added libgcrypt for forward secure sealing in the journal.

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#14 2012-11-23 12:14:48

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

falconindy wrote:
Thaodan wrote:

Its a bit OT but why systemd pulls more and more features functions in every release?

You'll have to clarify yourself here, because I've intentionally not added hard dependencies whenever possible. The last hard dependency I added to systemd was 2½ months ago when I added libgcrypt for forward secure sealing in the journal.

I think that they refer to systemd itself (journal, init, udev, foo-bla)


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#15 2012-11-23 13:24:06

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

Jristz wrote:

udev

No.

"foo-bla" is not part of systemd. So essentially you're left with init and journald? That's certainly a lot of stuff! tongue

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#16 2012-11-23 15:44:57

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

Jristz wrote:
falconindy wrote:
Thaodan wrote:

Its a bit OT but why systemd pulls more and more features functions in every release?

You'll have to clarify yourself here, because I've intentionally not added hard dependencies whenever possible. The last hard dependency I added to systemd was 2½ months ago when I added libgcrypt for forward secure sealing in the journal.

I think that they refer to systemd itself (journal, init, udev, foo-bla)

Yes and logind,acpid cron.


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#17 2012-11-23 18:36:58

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

My mistake; not sure how I misread that. Cron hasn't been replaced -- timer units aren't even close to functionally equivalent. logind replaces the no-longer-developed consolekit, and is a superior replacement (notice that logind doesn't spawn off a thread for watching every tty). The acpid "replacement" makes sense, since it's always been about firing system-wide events from a specific user. systemd is about providing a useful platform to build from. I wouldn't be too concerned about it invoking Zawinski's Law any time soon. It provides functionality where it makes sense. Many of the more "exotic" features are entirely optional -- and this even includes logind if you want to trim down your build that much.

Anyways, this is offtopic. The gentoo segment behind this new fork has some questionable experience with the code they're taking on (many commits made imply that they have no idea what they're doing), and they seem to have intransigent and non-sensical motives. Their energy would have been better off pointed at working peaceably with systemd/udev upstream (which they've not done before), rather than turning Gentoo into the laughing stock of a corner of the internet for a week. systemd 196 already offers the ability to build udev without kmod and blkid as dependencies -- something they keep harping on, and could have simply written the patches for.

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#18 2012-11-29 01:32:50

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

Guess what, the Gentoos have found themselves the last thing they can fork to the save the world! Not the kernel, not X, not the package manager but the udev! Yay!


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#19 2012-11-29 01:41:14

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

bassu wrote:

Guess what, the Gentoos have found themselves the last thing they can fork to the save the world! Not the kernel, not X, not the package manager but the udev! Yay!

Stop trolling.


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#20 2012-12-19 06:29:13

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

Gentoo has now officially announced the eudev project:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/81901

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#21 2012-12-23 20:31:19

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

ngoonee wrote:
bassu wrote:

Guess what, the Gentoos have found themselves the last thing they can fork to the save the world! Not the kernel, not X, not the package manager but the udev! Yay!

Stop trolling.

You seem to have some bad taste for sarcasm or Gentoo or may be both wink


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#22 2012-12-23 20:43:14

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

No I actually think ngoonee simply has a "bad taste" for trolling...

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#23 2012-12-23 22:22:27

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

bassu wrote:
ngoonee wrote:
bassu wrote:

Guess what, the Gentoos have found themselves the last thing they can fork to the save the world! Not the kernel, not X, not the package manager but the udev! Yay!

Stop trolling.

You seem to have some bad taste for sarcasm or Gentoo or may be both wink

In moderator school, you learn that sarcasm does not often work well in international forums.  That is why we avoid it.  I did not detect the sarcasm when I read the post.

I have a bad taste for trolling as well.


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#24 2012-12-24 01:19:13

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

ewaller wrote:

In moderator school, you learn that sarcasm does not often work well in international forums.  That is why we avoid it.  I did not detect the sarcasm when I read the post.

I have a bad taste for trolling as well.

Great post. I'm gonna add a part of it in my signature if that's ok with you. I hope doing so doesn't require agreeing to an EULA.


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#25 2012-12-24 02:13:00

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Re: Gentoo forks udev to remove systemd dependency.

dolby wrote:

I'm gonna add a part of it in my signature if that's ok with you. I hope doing so doesn't require agreeing to an EULA.

Have at it smile


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