KF 5 & Plasma

ktatar156 · 2014-07-18 13:19:55

Hello,
when there are plans to change the KDE 4 on a KF 5? When plasma-next will be available in the official repositories (not kde-unstable)? Is it changes will be automatic (by pacman-Syu)? What packages I need to install clean (without KDE4) KF5 & Plasma Next?

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karol · 2014-07-18 13:28:31

Have you read the wiki article on KDE?

phanisvara · 2014-07-18 13:46:49

that wiki article tells you how to install KF5 at this time. what it doesn't tell you is that things are very much in motion now and, unless you're in a particular hurry, it would be better to wait for a while. there are several forum posts on the subject, the most recent here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1436948 and also a few others.

at the moment, you need [kde-unstable] (which implies [testing]) and a couple dozen packages built from AUR. this will eventually change, rather soon according to andrea scarpino, with KF5 moving into [extra] where you'll be able to install it with or without using KDE4 at the same time.

i'd wait for that if you want to avoid trouble.

AnAkkk · 2014-07-18 14:42:27

KF5 is already in extra. Plasma 5 is in AUR, and you shouldn't use packages from kde-unstable because they're outdated/conflict with AUR packages.

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phanisvara · 2014-07-18 14:52:58

ah, my setup still works, including packages from [kde-unstable]. i'll wait with further updates until things have settled down some more. for the moment i'm using KDE 4.13 again, mostly.

karol · 2014-07-18 15:08:27

phanisvara wrote:

at the moment, you need [kde-unstable] (which implies [testing]) and a couple dozen packages built from AUR.

AnAkkk's right and you too should have read the wiki https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kde#KDE_5.x :-)

phanisvara · 2014-07-18 15:48:35

i did, but at the time i installed, a few days back, [kde-unstable] was required. i'm leaving things as they are for now and will update in a few days' time.

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karol · 2014-07-18 16:30:47

The info has been added a month ago: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?ti … did=316915

phanisvara · 2014-07-18 16:57:55

yes, i saw that info, and didn't find those packages except in [kde-unstabl]. as i've written a few times, things are moving with these packages and repos, and nobody updates the wiki if it's going to change again in a few days. but whatever, you are right, i'm backing out here.

arojas · 2014-07-18 18:08:53

It is not a good idea to enable [kde-unstable] until Plasma is fully uploaded and Andrea announces it officially. He may use different package names than the one from AUR (eg. baloo5 vs. baloo-frameworks) and then depending on possible replaces/conflicts fields the [kde-unstable] packages will try to replace the AUR ones, breaking dependencies.

phanisvara · 2014-07-18 18:36:48

never said it was. it was necessary at one time, not anymore. and the best idea is to wait until things get more settled.

ktatar156 · 2014-07-19 11:29:10

And I got second question:
Is there any plans to port KDE 4 apps to KDE 5? Is there any schedule or feature plan? Where I can read anything about that?

arojas · 2014-07-19 11:49:48

ktatar156 wrote:

Is there any plans to port KDE 4 apps to KDE 5? Is there any schedule or feature plan? Where I can read anything about that?

Yes, there will be a first release in December which will include both KF5 and KDE4 applications (those who haven't been ported yet). You can read more about it in these threads:

http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-cvs-a … 00147.html
http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-t … 07932.html

AnAkkk · 2014-07-19 12:37:30

Some KDE4 applications are already ported to KF5 though, any plans to make AUR packages available for these?
For example, Kate and Konsole are available in openSUSE KF5 repository.

EDIT: KDE Base Apps (Dolphin, Konqueror, etc) seem to have a KF5 branch as well https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/a … frameworks
(which is actually available as an openSUSE package too)

EDIT 2: Actually kate and konsole are already in AUR, but they're -git versions and depend on others -git versions of KF5 packages

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abveritas · 2014-07-19 12:51:44

Working plasma 5/frameworks ported apps, git builds:
dolphin (kde-baseapps)
kate/kwrite
yakuake
konsole
rekonq
kmymoney & alikimia
kdepim (not all parts are fully working, needs the frameworks kdepimlibs port too)
plasma-mediacenter
konversation
skanlite
kdeconnect
bluedevil/libbluedevil
kde-gtk-config
kdevplatform/kdevelop
partitionmanager
sddm (not really a plasma 5 app,but fully integrated, with available breeze theme)
okteta

arojas · 2014-07-19 13:06:48

AnAkkk wrote:

EDIT 2: Actually kate and konsole are already in AUR, but they're -git versions and depend on others -git versions of KF5 packages

You can just remove the -git from dependencies and try to build them. There's no guarantee that this will always work though, at any point there could be a source incompatible change in git which will break compilation against KF5 releases.

dunkles · 2014-07-20 10:28:12

why netwokmanager not appear in tray?

tghe-retford · 2014-07-20 13:13:53

arojas wrote:

AnAkkk wrote:
EDIT 2: Actually kate and konsole are already in AUR, but they're -git versions and depend on others -git versions of KF5 packages
You can just remove the -git from dependencies and try to build them. There's no guarantee that this will always work though, at any point there could be a source incompatible change in git which will break compilation against KF5 releases.

To clarify, this works on libbluedevil-frameworks-git but bluedevil-frameworks-git will fail compiling at about 41% if I recall from memory.

There are also problems using SDDM at the moment as several bugs have come up recently where Plasma being installed to /opt is causing problems with the SDDM Plasma theme working unless you use sddm-greeter --test-mode and some configuration options like autologin, cursor theme and last selected session are broken within the last week. I have KDE4 SC and KDE Frameworks 5 installed on the same computer so for now I can just use KDM until all the bugs are resolved and packages for KF5 are uploaded.

arojas · 2014-07-20 13:35:19

dunkles wrote:

why netwokmanager not appear in tray?

Have you installed plasma-nm?

AnAkkk · 2014-07-20 14:48:09

tghe-retford wrote:

There are also problems using SDDM at the moment as several bugs have come up recently where Plasma being installed to /opt is causing problems with the SDDM Plasma theme working unless you use sddm-greeter --test-mode and some configuration options like autologin, cursor theme and last selected session are broken within the last week. I have KDE4 SC and KDE Frameworks 5 installed on the same computer so for now I can just use KDM until all the bugs are resolved and packages for KF5 are uploaded.

And it looks like it's not possible to install plasma-workspace outside /opt/kf5, otherwise it conflicts with kdebase-workspace

oli74 · 2014-07-20 16:08:31

How can I install KDM for plasma 5?

arojas · 2014-07-20 16:34:12

oli74 wrote:

How can I install KDM for plasma 5?

There is no KDM anymore.

oli74 · 2014-07-20 18:21:23

arojas wrote:

oli74 wrote:
How can I install KDM for plasma 5?
There is no KDM anymore.

OK, so how can I start a Plasma session. I boot directly into command prompt. The .xinitrc way is not working...

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arojas · 2014-07-20 18:35:21

oli74 wrote:

OK, so how can I start a Plasma session. I boot directly into command prompt. The .xinitrc way is not working...

Use KDM from kde4 or any other DM (except for GDM), or launch /opt/kf5/bin/startkde from .xinitrc making sure to first export all env variables from 10-kf5

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celeron2002 · 2014-07-20 20:26:17

arojas wrote:

oli74 wrote:
OK, so how can I start a Plasma session. I boot directly into command prompt. The .xinitrc way is not working...
Use KDM from kde4 or any other DM (except for GDM), or launch /opt/kf5/bin/startkde from .xinitrc making sure to first export all env variables from 10-kf5

I have installed kf5 and kf5-aid but there is not a startkde command :S

[root@celerondomain elmoska]# updatedb
[root@celerondomain elmoska]# locate startkde
/usr/bin/startkde
[root@celerondomain elmoska]# pacman -Qo /usr/bin/startkde
/usr/bin/startkde es propiedad de kdebase-workspace 4.11.10-2

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