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#1 2022-07-19 00:53:15

Drogobo
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A few nitpiks I have with this.

Why is systemd-boot the default for UEFI booting? systemd-boot isn't even mentioned in the real arch install wiki page. Also, why can't you make swap bigger? My poor laptop can't handle anything. It needs more swap.


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#2 2022-07-19 00:57:24

jasonwryan
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Re: A few nitpiks I have with this.

Drogobo wrote:

Why is systemd-boot the default for UEFI booting? systemd-boot isn't even mentioned in the real arch install wiki page.

No boot loaders are mentioned in the guide, so that's hardly a criteria for complaint.

Also, the whole point of a guided install script is that you accept someone else is going to make choices for you. If you don't like those choices, just install Arch they way you want to.


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#3 2022-07-19 00:59:08

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Re: A few nitpiks I have with this.

Jason, I was searching for the correct way to say just that.  Well said.


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#4 2022-07-19 01:05:46

Drogobo
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Re: A few nitpiks I have with this.

jasonwryan wrote:
Drogobo wrote:

Why is systemd-boot the default for UEFI booting? systemd-boot isn't even mentioned in the real arch install wiki page.

No boot loaders are mentioned in the guide, so that's hardly a criteria for complaint.

Also, the whole point of a guided install script is that you accept someone else is going to make choices for you. If you don't like those choices, just install Arch they way you want to.

The people working on it should have some regaurd for the users.


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#5 2022-07-19 01:09:55

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Re: A few nitpiks I have with this.

Drogobo wrote:

The people working on it should have some regaurd for the users me.

That's what you are actually saying...


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#6 2022-07-19 01:37:53

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Re: A few nitpiks I have with this.

The people working on it should do whatever the hell they feel like.  If you don't like it, don't use it.  The guided installer is not required to be used nor even expected.

If you want to change the way it works and have it do whatever the hell you feel like, then you should become one of the people working on it.  Submit a patch; if your code is good, it will have a good chance of being accepted.

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#7 2022-07-19 01:40:53

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Re: A few nitpiks I have with this.

For a long time, we had no installer.  As it is now part of the infrastructure, the moderators created a sub forum to support it. 
Taking of my staff hat, I personally think it a poor idea.
Replacing my staff hat, this project, like all Arch projects, are created and maintained by volunteers who get to make the decisions -- because they are putting forth the effort.
You are more than welcome to fork it and create a version that suits your peccadilloes.

Edit:  Not intending to pile on -- I am just slow

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#8 2022-08-20 02:33:02

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Re: A few nitpiks I have with this.

I think the responses here overlook the contributions which users of free software can and should make to its development. I don't think it is a positive thing that so many people seem to use free software without considering at all what they might contribute. Nor do I think it is positive if people think they can't do anything unless they can code. It really isn't only developers and coders who can contribute. I'm not denying that people who can patch stuff and fork stuff make much heftier contributions than I do, but I assume bug reports and feature requests can contribute something, however small. I don't always succeed in submitting useful reports or following up, but I always try to.

If you say 'It's maintained by volunteers who can do whatever they like, so your options are putting up with it, providing a patch or forking it,' it reinforces the sense people have that because they can use free software without contributing anything, there's no reason not to.

Now maybe the people replying here know that, as a matter of fact, archinstall's developers have no interest in hearing from users, that a patch may be accepted but a bug report sans fix or feature request is pointless. If so, fair enough, but that's not been my experience of most projects. Most developers respond more positively; even when they don't respond, it's often not a lack of interest. It goes without saying 'can't fix', 'won't fix' and 'won't implement' can be positive responses.

But the place to report bugs or make feature requests isn't on the forums because the chances of a project developer reading your post are negligible. Instead, you should to use the issue tracker at https://github.com/archlinux/archinstall.


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#9 2022-08-20 07:29:23

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Re: A few nitpiks I have with this.

Maybe...  but neither of the original points are overly useful.  Something needs to be the default UEFI bootloader, and no argument is made for any alternative, or even against systemd-boot.

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#10 2022-08-21 00:09:42

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Re: A few nitpiks I have with this.

Allan wrote:

Maybe...  but neither of the original points are overly useful.  Something needs to be the default UEFI bootloader, and no argument is made for any alternative, or even against systemd-boot.

That wasn't really my point as the responses were only partly about the merits of the suggestions and I don't have any argument with the replies insofar as they address those merits.


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