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#101 2009-01-25 22:27:47

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

I tried it, but it totally took a dump on my HD 3100.  When X started, I just saw a distorted memory of my BIOS' boot image repeating across the top fourth of the screen, and everything else black.  It was running, because the start-up sound played, even though I could not see anything.  When I tried to switch to the console, the computer instantly shut went off.  Tried it twice more, but got the same result, so downgraded back to 8.11.

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#102 2009-01-29 21:28:25

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Alright. 9.1 is out. Video playback using composite is still kind of funky.

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#103 2009-01-29 21:32:37

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

pjjanak wrote:

Alright. 9.1 is out. Video playback using composite is still kind of funky.

Disable regex matching in compiz or change the video output mode of media players from xv to x11

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#104 2009-01-29 23:46:28

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

9.1 there now.
Maybe my radeon 9600 card will work better than with fglrx on the other machine


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#105 2009-01-29 23:52:28

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Raccoon1400 wrote:

9.1 there now.
Maybe my radeon 9600 card will work better than with fglrx on the other machine

Your 9600 will FLY if you install xf86-video-ati.

Fglrx is one of the worst software examples out there.

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#106 2009-01-30 00:13:39

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

flamelab wrote:
Raccoon1400 wrote:

9.1 there now.
Maybe my radeon 9600 card will work better than with fglrx on the other machine

Your 9600 will FLY if you install xf86-video-ati.

Fglrx is one of the worst software examples out there.

when I installed fglrx, the first thing it did was break every game that required good graphics


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#107 2009-01-30 01:07:52

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Raccoon1400 wrote:
flamelab wrote:
Raccoon1400 wrote:

9.1 there now.
Maybe my radeon 9600 card will work better than with fglrx on the other machine

Your 9600 will FLY if you install xf86-video-ati.

Fglrx is one of the worst software examples out there.

when I installed fglrx, the first thing it did was break every game that required good graphics

Installed catalyst, breaks everything too


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#108 2009-01-30 03:44:15

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Raccoon1400 wrote:
Raccoon1400 wrote:

when I installed fglrx, the first thing it did was break every game that required good graphics

Installed catalyst, breaks everything too

fglrx IS Catalyst... Well, more accurately, Catalyst is a set of driver stuff, fglrx is the name of the core driver component for Linux, which is part of Linux Catalyst.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fglrx

Check the version numbers.

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#109 2009-01-30 03:47:57

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

I'm using Catalyst/fglrx right now with my HD4850 and for some reason when I resize windows it takes a second to show what is being done, whereas with my 7600GT this was not an issue. Is there something I should know about, or does this happen to everyone?
e:Dangit typos...

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#110 2009-01-30 04:10:51

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fglrx drivers have famously terrible 2D support. I believe I've heard that issue before.

Not sure if xf86-video-radeonhd supports your card with accelerated 2D yet... don't think so. Hopefully soon, and 3D support to get better. For those GPUs it does work with, RadeonHD's 2D is very good and constantly improving. www.phoronix.com has more info.

News for everyone here that should address a big problem: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a … t_91&num=1

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#111 2009-01-30 04:20:03

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Well, as long as it's not just me, I'm fine with it for now. But how bad is the 3D in xf86? If it's good enough to get respectable frame rates in Nexuiz, I'll use it, but if not I definitely won't.


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#112 2009-01-30 04:45:23

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@flamelab: X11 video works just fine. I just wish I could use Xv. Sometimes when I use X11 the video won't resize correctly :-/

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#113 2009-01-30 08:19:57

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

elmer_42 wrote:

slow window resize

Should turn off compositing in xorg, everything will be fine.
Its a driver problem, I'm still hoping they would fix it


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#114 2009-01-30 12:42:52

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

pjjanak wrote:

@flamelab: X11 video works just fine. I just wish I could use Xv. Sometimes when I use X11 the video won't resize correctly :-/

Peter

Τhis is my device section in xorg.conf:

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "My Graphics Card"
    Driver      "radeon"
        Option      "DynamicClocks" "on"
        Option      "AccelMethod" "EXA"
        Option      "EXAVSync" "on"
        Option      "DMAForXv" "on"
        Option      "ScalerWidth" "1920"
        Option      "EnablePageFlip" "on"
        Option      "RenderAccel" "on"
        Option      "AccelDFS" "on"
        Option      "ColorTiling" "on"
    BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

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#115 2009-01-30 13:22:24

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Ey, this 9.1 was supposed to be the end of all problems with Compiz i have been waiting for... Isn't it?


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#116 2009-01-30 14:58:29

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

alecmg wrote:

[T]urn off compositing in xorg, everything will be fine.

Oh, cool. Thanks.
e:But now xcompmgr can't do it's thing. I guess it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, though. =/

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#117 2009-01-30 16:23:26

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Catalyst 9.1 seems to have some fixes for compositing, look forward to it in the Arch repos smile

elmer_42 wrote:

But how bad is the 3D in xf86? If it's good enough to get respectable frame rates in Nexuiz, I'll use it, but if not I definitely won't.

xf86-video-radeonhd doesn't support your card well yet (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a … onhd_rv770) - it'll work, but only using software 2D rendering (I think). 3D is glitchy and odd for all cards with radeonhd right now. You can try xf86-video-ati - I can
t find much info at all on it with your card.

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#118 2009-01-30 18:55:00

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umm 9.1 isnt working here. at least, the driver loads, but 2D is slow to the extreme and 3D direct rendering is non existant. glxgears/glxinfo both spew an error about X 'BadRequest' or something ..

maybe i need to update more than just catalyst for this release ?

I run: kernel 2.6.28.2, xorg-server 1.5.3-4, mesa 7.2

not that i really have any high hopes for this release .. the 'latest' config that runs decently here is 2.6.27 + xorg 1.4.2 + catalyst[-utils] 8.8 ..... hmm


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#119 2009-01-30 20:31:37

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9-1 is broken on x86_64:

(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib64/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed (/usr/lib64/dri/fglrx_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering

the path is hardcoded in the precompiled libglx.so. this is all i found so far: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=59685 - the recommended sed changes the path but makes the lib loading fail and a symlink is a NoGo!

I asked on the AMD list how to deal this. Maybe somebody has a suggestion here.

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#120 2009-01-30 21:10:02

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

AndyRTR wrote:

9-1 is broken on x86_64:

(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib64/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed (/usr/lib64/dri/fglrx_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering

the path is hardcoded in the precompiled libglx.so. this is all i found so far: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=59685 - the recommended sed changes the path but makes the lib loading fail and a symlink is a NoGo!

I asked on the AMD list how to deal this. Maybe somebody has a suggestion here.

Well I just created the symlink while waiting for someone to post...

mkdir /usr/lib64/dri/
ln -s /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so .

Works!

So seems like a good driver:
-Video kinda works without flicker with kde composite (desktop effects), it crops a bit.
-2D seems to have a (placebo?) speedup effect
-composite window resizing is horribly slow, without composite from fast to ok depending on app
-composite firefox scrolling = ok
-only 1 X instance seems to be running now?

-glxgears 54118 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10823.455 FPS

gotta see if tvout works and if changing settings in amdcccle still make x freeze on start

EDIT: OH! DUH! specs 64bit arch and radeon 4850 smile

EDIT2: tvout works, changing settings doesnt only freeze X on startup but logout too ^^

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#121 2009-01-31 02:57:01

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Catalyst 9.1 is still causing a panic that locks the system after the X server is restarted, for me.
Back to 8.11 I go...

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#122 2009-01-31 03:34:00

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

elmer_42 wrote:

I'm using Catalyst/fglrx right now with my HD4850 and for some reason when I resize windows it takes a second to show what is being done, whereas with my 7600GT this was not an issue. Is there something I should know about, or does this happen to everyone?
e:Dangit typos...

If you have compiz installed you can change the way the way the window resize is done. I changed the Resize Window > General tab > Default Resize mode to Rectangle in the compiz settings.
What this changes is when you try and resize the window a colored rectangle representing the desired size. Its faster and works better especially on media players showing video.

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#123 2009-01-31 17:27:52

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Nope, I'm not using Compiz, but thanks for the suggestion.


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#124 2009-01-31 23:00:23

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Most WMs should let you change how windows are resized, even if it's buried in config files... worst case, use a WM like Openbox that only offers a transparent rectangle.

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#125 2009-02-01 13:52:45

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Wintervenom wrote:

Catalyst 9.1 is still causing a panic that locks the system after the X server is restarted, for me.
Back to 8.11 I go...

Yup, same experience. Stick with 8.11

By the way, how is composite manager with 8.11 working?


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