The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Wintervenom · 2009-01-25 22:27:47

I tried it, but it totally took a dump on my HD 3100. When X started, I just saw a distorted memory of my BIOS' boot image repeating across the top fourth of the screen, and everything else black. It was running, because the start-up sound played, even though I could not see anything. When I tried to switch to the console, the computer instantly shut went off. Tried it twice more, but got the same result, so downgraded back to 8.11.

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pjjanak · 2009-01-29 21:28:25

Alright. 9.1 is out. Video playback using composite is still kind of funky.

Kilz · 2009-01-29 21:32:37

pjjanak wrote:

Alright. 9.1 is out. Video playback using composite is still kind of funky.

Disable regex matching in compiz or change the video output mode of media players from xv to x11

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Raccoon1400 · 2009-01-29 23:46:28

9.1 there now.
Maybe my radeon 9600 card will work better than with fglrx on the other machine

flamelab · 2009-01-29 23:52:28

Raccoon1400 wrote:

9.1 there now.
Maybe my radeon 9600 card will work better than with fglrx on the other machine

Your 9600 will FLY if you install xf86-video-ati.

Fglrx is one of the worst software examples out there.

Raccoon1400 · 2009-01-30 00:13:39

flamelab wrote:

Raccoon1400 wrote:
9.1 there now.
Maybe my radeon 9600 card will work better than with fglrx on the other machine
Your 9600 will FLY if you install xf86-video-ati.
Fglrx is one of the worst software examples out there.

when I installed fglrx, the first thing it did was break every game that required good graphics

Raccoon1400 · 2009-01-30 01:07:52

Raccoon1400 wrote:

flamelab wrote:
Raccoon1400 wrote:
9.1 there now.
Maybe my radeon 9600 card will work better than with fglrx on the other machine
Your 9600 will FLY if you install xf86-video-ati.
Fglrx is one of the worst software examples out there.
when I installed fglrx, the first thing it did was break every game that required good graphics

Installed catalyst, breaks everything too

Ranguvar · 2009-01-30 03:44:15

Raccoon1400 wrote:

Raccoon1400 wrote:
when I installed fglrx, the first thing it did was break every game that required good graphics
Installed catalyst, breaks everything too

fglrx IS Catalyst... Well, more accurately, Catalyst is a set of driver stuff, fglrx is the name of the core driver component for Linux, which is part of Linux Catalyst.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fglrx

Check the version numbers.

elmer_42 · 2009-01-30 03:47:57

I'm using Catalyst/fglrx right now with my HD4850 and for some reason when I resize windows it takes a second to show what is being done, whereas with my 7600GT this was not an issue. Is there something I should know about, or does this happen to everyone?
e:Dangit typos...

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Ranguvar · 2009-01-30 04:10:51

fglrx drivers have famously terrible 2D support. I believe I've heard that issue before.

Not sure if xf86-video-radeonhd supports your card with accelerated 2D yet... don't think so. Hopefully soon, and 3D support to get better. For those GPUs it does work with, RadeonHD's 2D is very good and constantly improving. www.phoronix.com has more info.

News for everyone here that should address a big problem: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a … t_91&num=1

elmer_42 · 2009-01-30 04:20:03

Well, as long as it's not just me, I'm fine with it for now. But how bad is the 3D in xf86? If it's good enough to get respectable frame rates in Nexuiz, I'll use it, but if not I definitely won't.

pjjanak · 2009-01-30 04:45:23

@flamelab: X11 video works just fine. I just wish I could use Xv. Sometimes when I use X11 the video won't resize correctly :-/

Peter

alecmg · 2009-01-30 08:19:57

elmer_42 wrote:

slow window resize

Should turn off compositing in xorg, everything will be fine.
Its a driver problem, I'm still hoping they would fix it

flamelab · 2009-01-30 12:42:52

pjjanak wrote:

@flamelab: X11 video works just fine. I just wish I could use Xv. Sometimes when I use X11 the video won't resize correctly :-/
Peter

Τhis is my device section in xorg.conf:

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "My Graphics Card"
    Driver      "radeon"
        Option      "DynamicClocks" "on"
        Option      "AccelMethod" "EXA"
        Option      "EXAVSync" "on"
        Option      "DMAForXv" "on"
        Option      "ScalerWidth" "1920"
        Option      "EnablePageFlip" "on"
        Option      "RenderAccel" "on"
        Option      "AccelDFS" "on"
        Option      "ColorTiling" "on"
    BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

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Slurp · 2009-01-30 13:22:24

Ey, this 9.1 was supposed to be the end of all problems with Compiz i have been waiting for... Isn't it?

elmer_42 · 2009-01-30 14:58:29

alecmg wrote:

[T]urn off compositing in xorg, everything will be fine.

Oh, cool. Thanks.
e:But now xcompmgr can't do it's thing. I guess it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, though. =/

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Ranguvar · 2009-01-30 16:23:26

Catalyst 9.1 seems to have some fixes for compositing, look forward to it in the Arch repos

elmer_42 wrote:

But how bad is the 3D in xf86? If it's good enough to get respectable frame rates in Nexuiz, I'll use it, but if not I definitely won't.

xf86-video-radeonhd doesn't support your card well yet (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a … onhd_rv770) - it'll work, but only using software 2D rendering (I think). 3D is glitchy and odd for all cards with radeonhd right now. You can try xf86-video-ati - I can
t find much info at all on it with your card.

pedepy · 2009-01-30 18:55:00

umm 9.1 isnt working here. at least, the driver loads, but 2D is slow to the extreme and 3D direct rendering is non existant. glxgears/glxinfo both spew an error about X 'BadRequest' or something ..

maybe i need to update more than just catalyst for this release ?

I run: kernel 2.6.28.2, xorg-server 1.5.3-4, mesa 7.2

not that i really have any high hopes for this release .. the 'latest' config that runs decently here is 2.6.27 + xorg 1.4.2 + catalyst[-utils] 8.8 .....

AndyRTR · 2009-01-30 20:31:37

9-1 is broken on x86_64:

(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib64/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed (/usr/lib64/dri/fglrx_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering

the path is hardcoded in the precompiled libglx.so. this is all i found so far: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=59685 - the recommended sed changes the path but makes the lib loading fail and a symlink is a NoGo!

I asked on the AMD list how to deal this. Maybe somebody has a suggestion here.

Mikko777 · 2009-01-30 21:10:02

AndyRTR wrote:

9-1 is broken on x86_64:
(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib64/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed (/usr/lib64/dri/fglrx_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
the path is hardcoded in the precompiled libglx.so. this is all i found so far: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=59685 - the recommended sed changes the path but makes the lib loading fail and a symlink is a NoGo!
I asked on the AMD list how to deal this. Maybe somebody has a suggestion here.

Well I just created the symlink while waiting for someone to post...

mkdir /usr/lib64/dri/
ln -s /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so .

Works!

So seems like a good driver:
-Video kinda works without flicker with kde composite (desktop effects), it crops a bit.
-2D seems to have a (placebo?) speedup effect
-composite window resizing is horribly slow, without composite from fast to ok depending on app
-composite firefox scrolling = ok
-only 1 X instance seems to be running now?

-glxgears 54118 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10823.455 FPS

gotta see if tvout works and if changing settings in amdcccle still make x freeze on start

EDIT: OH! DUH! specs 64bit arch and radeon 4850

EDIT2: tvout works, changing settings doesnt only freeze X on startup but logout too ^^

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Wintervenom · 2009-01-31 02:57:01

Catalyst 9.1 is still causing a panic that locks the system after the X server is restarted, for me.
Back to 8.11 I go...

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Kilz · 2009-01-31 03:34:00

elmer_42 wrote:

I'm using Catalyst/fglrx right now with my HD4850 and for some reason when I resize windows it takes a second to show what is being done, whereas with my 7600GT this was not an issue. Is there something I should know about, or does this happen to everyone?
e:Dangit typos...

If you have compiz installed you can change the way the way the window resize is done. I changed the Resize Window > General tab > Default Resize mode to Rectangle in the compiz settings.
What this changes is when you try and resize the window a colored rectangle representing the desired size. Its faster and works better especially on media players showing video.

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elmer_42 · 2009-01-31 17:27:52

Nope, I'm not using Compiz, but thanks for the suggestion.

Ranguvar · 2009-01-31 23:00:23

Most WMs should let you change how windows are resized, even if it's buried in config files... worst case, use a WM like Openbox that only offers a transparent rectangle.

leeyee · 2009-02-01 13:52:45

Wintervenom wrote:

Catalyst 9.1 is still causing a panic that locks the system after the X server is restarted, for me.
Back to 8.11 I go...

Yup, same experience. Stick with 8.11

By the way, how is composite manager with 8.11 working?

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