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#1 2009-02-04 14:54:39

De Mysteriis
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Scrotwm / Spectrwm

Scrotwm is a small dynamic tiling window manager for X11. It tries to stay out of the way so that valuable screen real estate can be used for much more important stuff. It has sane defaults and does not require one to learn a language to do any configuration. It was written by hackers for hackers and it strives to be small, compact and fast.

http://www.peereboom.us/scrotwm/html/scrotwm.html

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#2 2009-02-04 15:31:57

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

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#3 2009-02-04 15:41:54

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

Any features that sets it apart ? other than simple configuration file?


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#4 2009-02-04 15:56:45

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

It doesn't work right with dual screen.

Sane defaults don't exist, is it not possible to change keys?

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#5 2009-02-04 17:32:30

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

The first time I read it....I read scrotum wink HAHAHHAHA


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#6 2009-02-04 17:53:48

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

Ooh, definitely gonna try this one smile

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#7 2009-02-04 18:01:17

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

Inxsible wrote:

The first time I read it....I read scrotum wink HAHAHHAHA

Cannot unsee.

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#8 2009-02-04 18:47:33

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

Inxsible wrote:

The first time I read it....I read scrotum wink HAHAHHAHA

You're not alone.

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#9 2009-02-04 19:40:41

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

Major features:
- dynamic xrandr & xinerama support (multi screen)
- Navigation anywhere on all screens with either the keyboard or mouse
- Customizable status bar
- Human readable configuration file
- Screenshots
- Restartable without losing state
- Quick launch menu
- Many screen layouts possible with a few simple key presses
- Windows can be added or removed from master area
- Windows can be moved to any workspace or within a region
- Resizable master area
- Move/resize floating windows
- drag-to-float
- User definable regions

what? this is not just a WM. this is bloat! tongue

I wonder how it compares to wmii though, I'll try it someday.


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#10 2009-02-04 19:41:06

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

Anyone but me getting this all the time: "ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/X11R6/lib/swmhack.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored." ?

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#11 2009-02-04 20:22:27

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

I have installed this as well, and am getting the same error as above.
However, I have traced it to a library in the source that failed to build.
The AUR build only builds below the /linux dir, and that does not include the hack, which resides in a dir called /lib above it, i suspects its a BSD specific hack.
It claims that the makefile for swmhack.so is missing a seperator, but I have cured this simply by adding a tabbed space before the first include line. After that, it complains that "commands commence before first target". This is because the makefile is a BSD one, not a GNU Make one.
Also, if you look at the error, its goes looking for the hack in /usr/X11R6/lib -- this directory no longer exists on Linux xorg systems. I believe (correct me if i'm wrong) that *BSD systems still use the original XFree86, not XOrg, so this hack is needed for that system, not linux systems. So scrotwm needs to be hacked so that it does not go looking for the hack on Linux/Xorg systems.

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#12 2009-02-04 21:38:03

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

Marco released 0.8 yesterday.
More tiling features, better dual monitor support.

Still getting the smhack.so error.

Builds fine on openbsd (obviously).

Both authors are OpenBSD hackers as in one of the main xmonad devs btw.
Probably switching to to scrotwm.

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#13 2009-02-04 22:30:36

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

OpenBSD wrote:

Both authors are OpenBSD hackers as in one of the main xmonad devs btw.

Not that it matters, but Peereboom, McBride do not appear to have any patches in their names in xmonad; or did you mean something else?

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#14 2009-02-04 22:43:50

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

should read "as is one of the main xmonad"

Neither Marco or Ryan are working on xmonad, another openbsd user is one of the two core devs (Don).

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#15 2009-02-05 00:58:23

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

It's looking good! I might come back to it when it's matured a bit more!

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#16 2009-02-05 01:23:03

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

I'm not trying to be a negative Nancy here (just because I don't care for tiling WMs doesn't mean I don't wish this project luck), but there is already wmii, dwm, awesome, xmonad, stumpwm, Ion3, and ratpoison. What is the advantage to using Scrotwm compared to those? I understand that the configuration file doesn't require programming knowledge, but don't most tiling WM users program as well?

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#17 2009-02-05 03:49:42

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

where are my keybindings ?


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#18 2009-02-05 03:54:48

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

http://www.peereboom.us/scrotwm/html/man.html

here you go.

will have a look at it tomorrow, it is to late now. have to go to bed.

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#19 2009-02-05 04:28:21

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

Fixed keybindings? I hope its not...


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#20 2009-02-05 10:49:48

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

cdwillis wrote:

I'm not trying to be a negative Nancy here (just because I don't care for tiling WMs doesn't mean I don't wish this project luck), but there is already wmii, dwm, awesome, xmonad, stumpwm, Ion3, and ratpoison. What is the advantage to using Scrotwm compared to those? I understand that the configuration file doesn't require programming knowledge, but don't most tiling WM users program as well?

good point!

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#21 2009-02-05 12:32:31

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

Inxsible wrote:

The first time I read it....I read scrotum wink HAHAHHAHA

haha you should type 'scrotwm' in google lol


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#22 2009-02-05 16:06:52

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

OpenBSD wrote:

should read "as is one of the main xmonad"

Neither Marco or Ryan are working on xmonad, another openbsd user is one of the two core devs (Don).

http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-haskell suggests that Arch has quite a bit of support though:)

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#23 2009-02-05 16:25:31

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

vogt wrote:

http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-haskell suggests that Arch has quite a bit of support though:)

Thanks for the link.  Some interesting stuff there.
Looks as if Don is doing a good amount now on arch?

OT:  Noticed that xmonad on OpenBSD has almost now dependencies, notably not ghc - where as arch install ghc.  Not a biggy, just wondering why.

Sticking with xmonad now, but keeping my eye on srotwm.

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#24 2009-02-05 16:29:13

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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

cdwillis wrote:

I'm not trying to be a negative Nancy here (just because I don't care for tiling WMs doesn't mean I don't wish this project luck), but there is already wmii, dwm, awesome, xmonad, stumpwm, Ion3, and ratpoison. What is the advantage to using Scrotwm compared to those? I understand that the configuration file doesn't require programming knowledge, but don't most tiling WM users program as well?

The more the merrier!  Let the WMs proliferate!

You wouldn't say that since there's been lots of movies made, or songs composed, or novels written, that therefore there's no longer any point in pursuing creative endeavors.  I think the same basic idea applies here.  Variety is also freedom, and it makes things interesting when you're bored and want to try something new.  smile


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#25 2009-02-06 02:35:10

koch
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Re: Scrotwm / Spectrwm

gentoo says: it is all about choice.

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